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KILLING:

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(under construction - a long subject - because Orthodoxy has killed so many people, even though the new law of Jesus is radically different than that of Moses, banning killing, and teaching a Love and Peace message)

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QUOTE: "Bishop Odo of Bayeux, William's (the Bastard or Conquerer) half-brother and second in command. fought in the Battle of Hastings using a mace in order to prevent the spilling of Christian blood." Seems they had a guilt complex about not obeying the real teachings of Jesus that killing is a sin in the new covenant.

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Israel.

Galatians 4 is about Israel and the MASSIVE change in strategy by God. The Jews by rejecting the new covenant became part of Hagar (read the chapter) and want to defend physical Israel with violence. It says there true believers (pacifist Sarah) are pilgrims on a journey to the Jerusalem above, and this is the fulfilled "Feast of Tabernacles" as Calvary was the fulfilled PasIsrael.sover, that is kept now by "sincerity" it says so, not by some old feast day rituals.

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​1st CRUSADE:

First Crusade: Battle of Dorylaeum 1097 ADFirst Crusade: Siege of Antioch 1098 ADFirst Crusade: The Siege of Jerusalem.......  also.... https://youtu.be/heVeJmTOsmQ


Also, Constantine the Great was given the role of primus inter pares. ​

Guibert de Nogent (c. 1055–1124) was a Benedictine historian, theologian ​ .... was before Aquinas


​Abortion, the pill, divorce
http://orthodoxinfo.com/praxis/orthodoxchristianmarriage.aspx

St. Theodosius :
St. Theodosius of the Kiev Caves said, Christians must “Love your enemies, but only your personal enemies, not the enemies of God."

RIGHTEOUS ADMIRAL THEODORE USHAKOV OF THE RUSSIAN NAVAL FLEET
​orthochristian.com/107112.html

ST OLGA:
​Saint Olga was a Regent of Kievan Rus' for her son Svyatoslav from 945 AD until 960 AD. She is known for her annihilation of the Drevlians, a tribe that had killed her husband Igor of Kiev, and for her efforts to spread Christianity.
https://www.facebook.com/magicbyzantica/?fref=gs&hc_location=group_dialog

THE TRUE CHRISTIAN VIEW OF WAR
AND CAPITAL PUNISHMENT EXPLAINED:
The maker of this website believes that Jesus banned Christians partaking in war by killing, and capital punishment, and that abortion and suicide are also sins. You may say what about some of these things being clearly allowed in the old testament? Here is the explanation.

HISTORY OF DOCTRINE ON VIOLENCE:

Before Noah Cain killed his brother Abel but he was not executed for his crime as people would be under the later law of Moses. One of the reasons the inhabitants of the ancient world were destroyed in the Flood of Noah was "The earth also was corrupt before God, and the earth was filled with violence. And God looked upon the earth, and, behold, it was corrupt; for all flesh had corrupted his way upon the earth. And God said unto Noah, The end of all flesh is come before me; for the earth is filled with violence through them; and, behold, I will destroy them with the earth." Genesis 6:11-13. So God destroyed all living people except Noah and his family, and after this God instituted Governments on the earth as that is better than the evil of total anarchy. This does not mean that all governments are righteous, it means that the extremes of anarchy and violence were so bad before the flood God did away with them. It is my belief that the slowly rising waters of the flood gave the adults time to repent. I also believe that the most likely explanation of what happens to babies and children who die is that they will be resurrected in the Millennium to be ruled over by Jesus and later tested just as we are. 

In the law of Moses it was clearly stated that killing in a war was permitted, and capital punishment was also used. The violence used and allowed by God under Moses old Law was extreme. It is even argued Genocide, or something apparently similar (Deuteronomy 7) was directed by God. At first this seems a total shock to our minds, but this is probably because certain nations had demonic religious rites like "passing children through the fire to Molech" or in other words burning babies alive in sacrifice to demons, which was their way of committing fornication and disposing of the unwanted babies created by this. Such horrific practices had to be stopped by God one way or another. 

The people of the ancient world were all tribalistic, and each claimed to have the mightiest gods, so God called Israel to witness to the nations that their God, the one true God, the Lord God Almighty was mighty, and the only true God. God did not choose out Israel as a nation for singular salvation he chose them as a witness to the nations. For instance the biggest revival in human history happened in the formerly pagan city of Nineveh, and the biggest act of evangelism may perhaps have been the message Nebuchadnezzar sent out to the whole world to honour the God of Daniel after him seeing the incredible miracles done through Daniel, Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego. Even before Moses the whole world learned of the greatness of God through the witness of Joseph, being used by the interpretation of dreams to save millions from starvation. In fact when Moses went through the Red Sea they went through with a "mixed multitude" who had been converted to follow God through seeing the miracles of the ten plagues of Egypt. See?

Thus God showed himself to the nations as a very powerful God not to be taken lightly, showing power in a world without the police forces we have today, by draconian measures against sin, that is stoning to death, burning (two old testament sins had burning as the punishment), even chopping of hands, and war was allowed.

The teachings of Jesus however were very different. Jesus banned war for the saints, and said no one can stone other people to death as the criteria is you are not without sin so cannot "cast the first stone". Jesus said "My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence." John 18:36. Galatians 4 explains that this is because Christians are now pilgrims on the Earth travelling toward Heavenly New Jerusalem above, not physical Jerusalem below. The few scriptures that spiritually blind people say allow war, like Peter having a sword in Gethsemane, are easily explained as misunderstood. As soon as Peter used the sword Jesus gave one of the most famous pacifist verses ever spoken, "Then said Jesus unto him, Put up again thy sword into his place: for all they that take the sword shall perish with the sword." he also tells us 
"If any man have an ear, let him hear. He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints." The new revolutionary "Love and Peace" teaching of Jesus in the Sermon on the Mount still stand.

You may reply, "What about Romans 13?" Romans 13 is one of the most misunderstood chapters in the bible. It says God will use Governments to achieve good things, like stopping "drunken rioting" (verse 13). He does not declare those governments to be righteous. It is similar to Isaiah 10: 5-6 "O Assyrian, the rod of mine anger, and the staff in their hand is mine indignation. I will send him against an hypocritical nation......... " then after using the Assyrian to smite Israel, the Assyrian boast they did it in their own power, so God smites them, saying "Shall the axe boast itself against him that heweth therewith? or shall the saw magnify itself against him that shaketh it? as if the rod should shake itself against them that lift it up, or as if the staff should lift up itself, as if it were no wood." Isaiah 10:15. If my memory serves me correctly, God smote them by using a single angel to smite 185,000 Assyrians in one night. 
The use of an angel to kill brings up two other commonly used tricks killer Christians use to deceive people into not loving their enemies, as Stephen did in Acts 7. The angels kill, so why not us? The Angels are separate from the things of this temporal fleshly age on earth, they never marry for instance, so how can marriage laws apply to them. In a similar way Jesus came to Earth to show us the way here, that does not prevent him taking his place as God the Judge over Earth now, as its written "For even hereunto were ye called: because Christ also suffered for us, leaving us an example, that ye should follow his steps: Who did no sin, neither was guile found in his mouth: Who, when he was reviled, reviled not again; when he suffered, he threatened not; but committed himself to him that judgeth righteously:" 1 Peter 2:22-24. 

The imitation of Jesus brings us to the obvious fact, that there was no Samson in the Early Church killing 1,000 men with the jawbone of an ass. No David killing a Goliath, No Jonathan fighting against a whole army all on his own. No Gideon slaying vast numbers with but a few. No Generals, Commanders, no evidence of Christians forming into armies to defeat the Romans. The early church were persecuted, murdered, hunted and tormented, but gave love for evil, and followed the commands of Jesus proven by the fact there is no history of them waging war, and stories of great bloodshed victories. That defilement of the Faith was introduced by the butcher Constantine the Great, that the Orthodox Church has made into a saint, when he was no saint at all, but defiled the heavenly vision of peaceful loving Pilgrims making their way to Spiritual Jerusalem, by binding a false church and the state together, forming the Purple and Scarlet of the Whore of Babylon (secular and religious power). If you know the scriptures well enough to see this, and have a relationship with God strong enough to know the Holy Spirit is leading us to love our enemies at all times, never killing to defend ourselves, you will see the following doctrines, teachings and examples of war, murder and capital punishment of Eastern Orthodox Christianity show that she is indeed a false church, not spiritual enough to follow the straight and narrow path Jesus told us to follow.

​The Governments have been placed there for God to use. There is nothing wrong with contacting the police if you are attacked. These teachings are not impractical, or hypocritical. God is more in charge than you think. But the way of Jesus is Love and Peace not Bombs and War, and if you know him you know that God is Love is real. 

 

WITNESSES

if we can execute people, why is there no new covenant law on witnesses against people?

PACIFISM:
According to this documentary from BBC 4 "The Normans 3 - The Normans of the South (2010) " ( https://youtu.be/SSnXsYdJ9uo ) (36th minute) Tancred was concerned the 1st Crusade and warfare violated Christ's command to "turn the other cheek", but the Pope sent a letter from Claremont "reassuring him". Tancred would have done better believing the word of God that he himself had quoted. Later Tancreds attack descended into pure slaughter.

I dont think killers are saved, that is who have killed others without repenting, and that there is no promise of salvation to those who corrupt their white garments by preaching what is murder in new covenant law, If God wants to save some by an unpromised mercy, as he sees deeper into their hearts and know they would be corrected, that is by his divine authority and judgement. In the meantime I believe that fact does not give me the right to pronounce people believing in the heresy of war as being saved. Sometimes the bravest thing of all is to die loving, not kill fighting.


ORTHODOXY AND KILLING:

1) Killing in wars. They believe Christians can kill in wars, as in the first and second World Wars. For instance Russian Orthodox priests blessing Russian arms is an ancient tradition.​

2) Capital punishment. They justify capital punishment (but are against abortion).

3) The Orthodox Church has it own versions of "The Holy Inquisition" in periods of its history.

4) Greek Orthodoxy and the early Crusades.

5) Killer so called "saints"

6) Apparently Orthodoxy has not been heavily involved in witch burning.

7) Abortion - no (wow I saw a bit of evidence they allow abortion!)





QUOTE:
The Trebniki/Euchologia of Orthodox Churches contain Prayers for the Blessing of Weapons.
These are ancient Services which have been used throughout the hiostory of Orthodoxy. The use of the "swords" and "sabres" demonstrates that the blessing of weapons by the Church is of ancient origin and is a long established Orthodox custom.
-oOo
The Bishop or Priest comes out of the Altar to a table before the Amvon on which the weapons are placed, and he censes the weapons crosswise while the Reader begins as is common::
Reader: O Heavenly King, Trisagion,etc....Psalm 35. Alleluia.
Deacon: Let us pray to the Lord:
The Bishop or Priest reads this prayer over the weapons::
O Lord our God, God of Power and Might, powerful in strength, strong in battle, You once gave miraculous strength to Your child David granting him victory over his opponent the blasphemer Goliath. Mercifully accept our humble prayer. Send Your heavenly blessing upon these weapons (..naming each weapon..). Give to them power and strength that they may protect Your holy Church, the poor and the widows, and Your holy inheritance on earth, and make them horrible and terrible to any enemy army, and grant victory to Your people for your glory, for You are our strength and protection and unto You do we send up praise and glory, to the Father, and the Son and the Holy Spirit, now and ever, and to the ages of ages. Amen.
Then the Priest sprinkles blessed water on the weapons saying::
Let the blessing of the Tri-une God, the Father, Son and Holy Spirit, come down on and remain upon these weapons and those who carry them, for the protection of the truth of Christ. Amen.
After this the soldiers carrying the weapons are blessed, with the prayer:
Be brave and let your heart be stronger and win victory over your enemies, trusting in God, in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit.
After this each soldier kisses the honourable cross.
This is the way to bless sword and sabre. If there is only one sword to be blessed, or only one sabre, he says only once: this sword, or: this weapon. If there are many, he says: bless these swords, or: bless these weapons.
 

Killing

​1st CRUSADE

First Crusade: Battle of Dorylaeum 1097 ADFirst Crusade: Siege of Antioch 1098 ADFirst Crusade: The Siege of Jerusalem.......  also.... https://youtu.be/heVeJmTOsmQ


Also, Constantine the Great was given the role of primus inter pares. ​

Guibert de Nogent (c. 1055–1124) was a Benedictine historian, theologian ​ .... was before Aquinas


​Abortion, the pill, divorce
http://orthodoxinfo.com/praxis/orthodoxchristianmarriage.aspx

St. Theodosius :
St. Theodosius of the Kiev Caves said, Christians must “Love your enemies, but only your personal enemies, not the enemies of God."

RIGHTEOUS ADMIRAL THEODORE USHAKOV OF THE RUSSIAN NAVAL FLEET
​orthochristian.com/107112.html

ST OLGA
​Saint Olga was a Regent of Kievan Rus' for her son Svyatoslav from 945 AD until 960 AD. She is known for her annihilation of the Drevlians, a tribe that had killed her husband Igor of Kiev, and for her efforts to spread Christianity.
https://www.facebook.com/magicbyzantica/?fref=gs&hc_location=group_dialog

THE TRUE CHRISTIAN VIEW OF WAR
AND CAPITAL PUNISHMENT EXPLAINED:
The maker of this website believes that Jesus banned Christians partaking in war by killing, and capital punishment, and that abortion and suicide are also sins. You may say what about some of these things being clearly allowed in the old testament? Here is the explanation.

HISTORY OF DOCTRINE ON VIOLENCE:

Before Noah Cain killed his brother Abel but he was not executed for his crime as people would be under the later law of Moses. One of the reasons the inhabitants of the ancient world were destroyed in the Flood of Noah was "The earth also was corrupt before God, and the earth was filled with violence. And God looked upon the earth, and, behold, it was corrupt; for all flesh had corrupted his way upon the earth. And God said unto Noah, The end of all flesh is come before me; for the earth is filled with violence through them; and, behold, I will destroy them with the earth." Genesis 6:11-13. So God destroyed all living people except Noah and his family, and after this God instituted Governments on the earth as that is better than the evil of total anarchy. This does not mean that all governments are righteous, it means that the extremes of anarchy and violence were so bad before the flood God did away with them. It is my belief that the slowly rising waters of the flood gave the adults time to repent. I also believe that the most likely explanation of what happens to babies and children who die is that they will be resurrected in the Millennium to be ruled over by Jesus and later tested just as we are. 

In the law of Moses it was clearly stated that killing in a war was permitted, and capital punishment was also used. The violence used and allowed by God under Moses old Law was extreme. It is even argued Genocide, or something apparently similar (Deuteronomy 7) was directed by God. At first this seems a total shock to our minds, but this is probably because certain nations had demonic religious rites like "passing children through the fire to Molech" or in other words burning babies alive in sacrifice to demons, which was their way of committing fornication and disposing of the unwanted babies created by this. Such horrific practices had to be stopped by God one way or another. 

The people of the ancient world were all tribalistic, and each claimed to have the mightiest gods, so God called Israel to witness to the nations that their God, the one true God, the Lord God Almighty was mighty, and the only true God. God did not choose out Israel as a nation for singular salvation he chose them as a witness to the nations. For instance the biggest revival in human history happened in the formerly pagan city of Nineveh, and the biggest act of evangelism may perhaps have been the message Nebuchadnezzar sent out to the whole world to honour the God of Daniel after him seeing the incredible miracles done through Daniel, Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego. Even before Moses the whole world learned of the greatness of God through the witness of Joseph, being used by the interpretation of dreams to save millions from starvation. In fact when Moses went through the Red Sea they went through with a "mixed multitude" who had been converted to follow God through seeing the miracles of the ten plagues of Egypt. See?

Thus God showed himself to the nations as a very powerful God not to be taken lightly, showing power in a world without the police forces we have today, by draconian measures against sin, that is stoning to death, burning (two old testament sins had burning as the punishment), even chopping of hands, and war was allowed.

The teachings of Jesus however were very different. Jesus banned war for the saints, and said no one can stone other people to death as the criteria is you are not without sin so cannot "cast the first stone". Jesus said "My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence." John 18:36. Galatians 4 explains that this is because Christians are now pilgrims on the Earth travelling toward Heavenly New Jerusalem above, not physical Jerusalem below. The few scriptures that spiritually blind people say allow war, like Peter having a sword in Gethsemane, are easily explained as misunderstood. As soon as Peter used the sword Jesus gave one of the most famous pacifist verses ever spoken, "Then said Jesus unto him, Put up again thy sword into his place: for all they that take the sword shall perish with the sword." he also tells us 
"If any man have an ear, let him hear. He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints." The new revolutionary "Love and Peace" teaching of Jesus in the Sermon on the Mount still stand.

You may reply, "What about Romans 13?" Romans 13 is one of the most misunderstood chapters in the bible. It says God will use Governments to achieve good things, like stopping "drunken rioting" (verse 13). He does not declare those governments to be righteous. It is similar to Isaiah 10: 5-6 "O Assyrian, the rod of mine anger, and the staff in their hand is mine indignation. I will send him against an hypocritical nation......... " then after using the Assyrian to smite Israel, the Assyrian boast they did it in their own power, so God smites them, saying "Shall the axe boast itself against him that heweth therewith? or shall the saw magnify itself against him that shaketh it? as if the rod should shake itself against them that lift it up, or as if the staff should lift up itself, as if it were no wood." Isaiah 10:15. If my memory serves me correctly, God smote them by using a single angel to smite 185,000 Assyrians in one night. 
The use of an angel to kill brings up two other commonly used tricks killer Christians use to deceive people into not loving their enemies, as Stephen did in Acts 7. The angels kill, so why not us? The Angels are separate from the things of this temporal fleshly age on earth, they never marry for instance, so how can marriage laws apply to them. In a similar way Jesus came to Earth to show us the way here, that does not prevent him taking his place as God the Judge over Earth now, as its written "For even hereunto were ye called: because Christ also suffered for us, leaving us an example, that ye should follow his steps: Who did no sin, neither was guile found in his mouth: Who, when he was reviled, reviled not again; when he suffered, he threatened not; but committed himself to him that judgeth righteously:" 1 Peter 2:22-24. 

The imitation of Jesus brings us to the obvious fact, that there was no Samson in the Early Church killing 1,000 men with the jawbone of an ass. No David killing a Goliath, No Jonathan fighting against a whole army all on his own. No Gideon slaying vast numbers with but a few. No Generals, Commanders, no evidence of Christians forming into armies to defeat the Romans. The early church were persecuted, murdered, hunted and tormented, but gave love for evil, and followed the commands of Jesus proven by the fact there is no history of them waging war, and stories of great bloodshed victories. That defilement of the Faith was introduced by the butcher Constantine the Great, that the Orthodox Church has made into a saint, when he was no saint at all, but defiled the heavenly vision of peaceful loving Pilgrims making their way to Spiritual Jerusalem, by binding a false church and the state together, forming the Purple and Scarlet of the Whore of Babylon (secular and religious power). If you know the scriptures well enough to see this, and have a relationship with God strong enough to know the Holy Spirit is leading us to love our enemies at all times, never killing to defend ourselves, you will see the following doctrines, teachings and examples of war, murder and capital punishment of Eastern Orthodox Christianity show that she is indeed a false church, not spiritual enough to follow the straight and narrow path Jesus told us to follow.

​The Governments have been placed there for God to use. There is nothing wrong with contacting the police if you are attacked. These teachings are not impractical, or hypocritical. God is more in charge than you think. But the way of Jesus is Love and Peace not Bombs and War, and if you know him you know that God is Love is real. 

PACIFISM:
According to this documentary from BBC 4 "The Normans 3 - The Normans of the South (2010) " ( https://youtu.be/SSnXsYdJ9uo ) (36th minute) Tancred was concerned the 1st Crusade and warfare violated Christ's command to "turn the other cheek", but the Pope sent a letter from Claremont "reassuring him". Tancred would have done better believing the word of God that he himself had quoted. Later Tancreds attack descended into pure slaughter.

I dont think killers are saved, that is who have killed others without repenting, and that there is no promise of salvation to those who corrupt their white garments by preaching what is murder in new covenant law, If God wants to save some by an unpromised mercy, as he sees deeper into their hearts and know they would be corrected, that is by his divine authority and judgement. In the meantime I believe that fact does not give me the right to pronounce people believing in the heresy of war as being saved. Sometimes the bravest thing of all is to die loving, not kill fighting.


ORTHODOXY AND KILLING:

1) Killing in wars. They believe Christians can kill in wars, as in the first and second World Wars. For instance Russian Orthodox priests blessing Russian arms is an ancient tradition.​

2) Capital punishment. They justify capital punishment (but are against abortion).

3) The Orthodox Church has it own versions of "The Holy Inquisition" in periods of its history.

4) Greek Orthodoxy and the early Crusades.

5) Killer so called "saints"

6) Apparently Orthodoxy has not been heavily involved in witch burning.

7) Abortion - no (wow I saw a bit of evidence they allow abortion!)








QUOTE:
The Trebniki/Euchologia of Orthodox Churches contain Prayers for the Blessing of Weapons.
These are ancient Services which have been used throughout the hiostory of Orthodoxy. The use of the "swords" and "sabres" demonstrates that the blessing of weapons by the Church is of ancient origin and is a long established Orthodox custom.
-oOo
The Bishop or Priest comes out of the Altar to a table before the Amvon on which the weapons are placed, and he censes the weapons crosswise while the Reader begins as is common::
Reader: O Heavenly King, Trisagion,etc....Psalm 35. Alleluia.
Deacon: Let us pray to the Lord:
The Bishop or Priest reads this prayer over the weapons::
O Lord our God, God of Power and Might, powerful in strength, strong in battle, You once gave miraculous strength to Your child David granting him victory over his opponent the blasphemer Goliath. Mercifully accept our humble prayer. Send Your heavenly blessing upon these weapons (..naming each weapon..). Give to them power and strength that they may protect Your holy Church, the poor and the widows, and Your holy inheritance on earth, and make them horrible and terrible to any enemy army, and grant victory to Your people for your glory, for You are our strength and protection and unto You do we send up praise and glory, to the Father, and the Son and the Holy Spirit, now and ever, and to the ages of ages. Amen.
Then the Priest sprinkles blessed water on the weapons saying::
Let the blessing of the Tri-une God, the Father, Son and Holy Spirit, come down on and remain upon these weapons and those who carry them, for the protection of the truth of Christ. Amen.
After this the soldiers carrying the weapons are blessed, with the prayer:
Be brave and let your heart be stronger and win victory over your enemies, trusting in God, in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit.
After this each soldier kisses the honourable cross.
This is the way to bless sword and sabre. If there is only one sword to be blessed, or only one sabre, he says only once: this sword, or: this weapon. If there are many, he says: bless these swords, or: bless these weapons.

 

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