“You see how many are the benefits of baptism, and some think its heavenly grace consists only in the remission of sins, but we have enumerated ten honors [it bestows]! For this reason we baptize even infants, though they are not defiled by [personal] sins, so that there may be given to them holiness, righteousness, adoption, inheritance, brotherhood with Christ, and that they may be his [Christ’s] members” (Baptismal Catecheses in Augustine, Against Julian 1:6:21 [A.D. 388]).
f you "cannot enter" or "see" the kingdom of God unless you are born again, (regenerated) how can this only happen after baptism and chrismation? What if a soldier is shot on a battlefield and finds last minute repentance like the thief on the cross? Doesnt that prove we are born again by believing in Christ?
as triple baptism, chrismation followed by the holy eucharist are all performed one after another for a person to become seen as a layperson member of the Orthodox Church. As you will soon see the so called baptism of the infant is entangled in a plethora of unbiblical ritualism, that is wholly the creation of man.
Catholics on the other hand sprinkle babies. If the beliefs of "Their Faith" were united until the Great Schism, why do Catholics always paint saints, like St Augustine, being sprinkled not triple baptized? Surely that is one of many issues showing both sides claim that "the testimony of historical evidence shows their beliefs were the original beliefs of the Faith" a lie.
THE BAPTISM OF ST AUGUSTINE OF HIPPO
How was St Augustine of Hippo baptized?
a) Like the bible says - total immersion once
b) Like Catholics say - sprinkling
c) Like the Eastern Orthodox say - triple immersion?
John 3:5 versus John 3:18.
Ironically where you say Jesus confirms your salvation in John 3:5, where you say water baptism saves you (it is water of the Spirit, see chapter 4) in the same chapter Jesus says all Orthodox and Catholics are not saved, quote
"He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God" John 3:19
This is because BOTH call John 3:16 A LIE as it says there you are saved by believing in Jesus, that is to trust in and rely upon HIM and HIM ALONE.
1) Triple Exorcism:
This practice is so blasphemous to perform on an Evangelical that has been temporarily deceived into joining Orthodoxy that I will write a whole further page about it., even though it is not in itself considered a "sacrament".
The triple exorcism contains such phrases as.....
exorcism 1 - "The Lord rebukes you! O Devil!"
exorcism 2 "O Devil..... and all the powers that work with you....depart from him!"
exorcism 3 "O Lord.... expel from him all the workings of the devil.....rebuke the impure spirits and banish
Triple Baptism of Infants:
Both triple baptism, and the baptism of infants, are found nowhere in the new testament. In Orthodoxy the baptism of adults and infants is by immersion in water three times in the name of the Trinity and is both the initiation into the Church and a sign of forgiveness of sins. To them triple infant baptism also removes their idea of "original sin".
the words spoken in the triple baptism are:
“The servant of God (name) is baptised in the name of the Father. Amen. And of the Son, Amen. And of the Holy Spirit, Amen”. At each "invocation" the Priest immerses and then raises the infant up again. After the Baptism the Priest places the child in a new linen sheet held by the Godparent
Chrismation follows immediately after baptism and is by anointing with holy oil called Chrism. The Chrism is used to anoint different parts of the body with a sign of the cross. Chrism can only be consecrated by the Patriarch, or chief Bishop, of the local Church..... thus linking the savation of your soul to a bishop, as well as a priest. The forehead, eyes, nostrils, mouth and ears, the chest, the hands and the feet are all anointed. The priest says the words, "The seal of the gift of the Holy Spirit" as he makes the sign of the cross at each point. Some of the old Chrism is mixed with the new, thus linking the newly baptised to their forbears in the faith.
At what precise moment does a person (or baby) become regenerated? At the moment of the 3rd immersion? Or at the moment of chrismation with oil? When you think of it this is anomaly in their theology.
Define Eastern Orthodox doctrine on regeneration, also called being "born again".
Chrismation is followed by Holy Communion. Chrism can only be consecrated by the Patriarch, or chief Bishop, of the local Church. Some of the old Chrism is mixed with the new, thus linking the newly baptised to their forbears in the faith.
This means that in the Orthodox Church babies and children are fully "communicant" members of the Church.
The newly baptised are then full member of the people of God, but only seen as the laity. All Christians are called to be witnesses to the Truth.
Baptism and Chrismation. The first two are Baptism and Chrismation. Baptism of adults and infants is by immersion in water three times in the name of the Trinity and is both the initiation into the Church and a sign of forgiveness of sins.
Chrismation follows immediately after baptism and is by anointing with holy oil called Chrism. Chrismation is followed by Holy Communion. This means that in the Orthodox Church babies and children are fully communicant members of the Church.
Chrism can only be consecrated by the Patriarch, or chief Bishop, of the local Church. Some of the old Chrism is mixed with the new, thus linking the newly baptised to their forbears in the faith.
The Chrism is used to anoint different parts of the body with a sign of the cross. The forehead, eyes, nostrils, mouth and ears, the chest, the hands and the feet are all anointed. The priest says the words, "The seal of the gift of the Holy Spirit" as he makes the sign of the cross at each point.
The newly baptised Christian is now a layperson, a full member of the people of God (the 'Royal Priesthood'). All Christians are called to be witnesses to the Truth.
Chrismation is linked to Pentecost in that the same Holy Spirit which descended on the apostles descends on the newly baptised.
Greek Baptism explained! Watching a ceremony that involves a naked baby, water dunking, cutting hair, olive oil and marching around in circles is probably only a little bit weirder when its all happening in a strange language.. Welcome to the symbolism that makes up a Greek Orthodox baptism!
The first step begins with the priest asking the godparents to renounce Satan and all his works from the child. The renouncing of Satan is done facing the west, it is where the sun sets, the place where the ancient Greeks believed to be the location of Hades, the gates of Hell. Then the priest faces east, where the sun rises and asks the godparents to accept for the child “Christ, who is the light of the world”.
THE TRIPLE IMMERSION: – Melina will not officially be a Melina until the priest immerses her into the water and calls out her name three times. The baptized infant rises out of the water as a new person, cleansed of every sin committed so far – which in Melina’s case it’ll be plenty, mainly involving pooh incidents.. The triple immersion symbolizes the three days Christ spent in His tomb as well as the Holy Trinity.
THE NAKED INFANT: – The child is baptized naked, as it comes from the womb of her beautiful and amazing mother, so he emerges from the womb of God – the baptismal font. The removal of the child’s clothing signifies the sins which will be cast off entirely through baptism.
THE ANOINTING WITH OIL: – Olive oil is blessed by the priest and applied to the child’s hands, feet ears and mouth, in order to dedicate them to the service of Christ. The godparents then anoint the entire body of the child with the oil. You might think we do that to show that there’s still something in Greece that’s in abundance, but the truth is this ritual originated with ancient Greek wrestlers who anointed their body with olive oil in order to make it difficult for the opponents to maintain a grip on them. In baptism the child anointed with olive oil expresses a prayer that with Christ’s help he may be able to elude the grip of sin.
THE CUTTING OF HAIR: – After confirming the child, the priest will cut three locks of hair from Melina’s head-if she’s grown enough by then. This is an expression of gratitude for receiving God’s blessings in baptism and confirmation. Having nothing to give in return, the gift of her hair (a symbol of strength like Samson) is a promise to serve God with all his strength.
THE RELIGIOUS DANCE: – A procession around the baptism font by the priest and godparent holding the child is believed to be a reflection of the celebration of angels dancing and expressing their joy that a new soul has been registered in the Book of Souls.
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It is possible that the Catholic practice of baptizing adults by sprinkling water over their head was partly started to get the convert to bow the knee, or kneel down, in front of the bishop or priest, as a very powerful sign of religious subservience, and an outward sign also it was the Nicolaitan heresy or "conquering the laity".
If Jesus had meant "baptism and spirit" he would have said, in John 3:5. Water is not baptism. The water is the Holy Spirit, as seen in chapter 4. The gospel by which we are saved does no include baptism in water.
1 Cor 1: 17 makes that plain. It is simply a false gospel, one of both works (your own obedience) and sacerdotalism (priestcraft) if you try to add baptism to salvation. Further the prerequisite to baptism in Acts 8 and Romans 6 is to "believe". Infants do not.
Martyrika. (Gr. "a sign of witnessing"). Small decorative icons or crosses passed out to the guests who witness an Orthodox Baptism.
Are all baptized babies to go to salvation? And un baptized "might be saved, but not definitely like baptized are...... or all damned......or are all saved too?" Or what???